Wasn't this going to be a thing at some point? I remember conspiracy theories doing the rounds blaming the JS mafia for getting it depreciated.

Could be. Possibly also <link rel="import" > ?

Or maybe I'm just muddled.... which happens a lot. As an example, I could have sworn <embed> had been semi depreciated.

See, muddled. Oh for a steady-state mind.

Though I might still double down on the JS mafia being responsible for there being no native way of doing this in HTML.

Speaking of crazy HTML shit, does anyone feel like offering free advice to someone who hasn't done serious web stuff for over 15 years?

If so....

Okay, I'm writing up a little personal site at the moment. At the same time, I've developed a mania about being as backwards compatible as possible. It's become a thing. Which is a bit annoying as I really wanted to do a responsive multi-column layout. Media query, etc. But, y'know, whatever, it's fine.

So I could go div crazy, bash away like it's Y2K and leave it at that.

However! I really don't want to throw modern screen readers under the bus, and they are, to my understanding, quite reliant on contemporary semantic tags.

So the question is, how to cater to both? People have told me that HTML5 degrades well on older browsers, but I have had/seen some issues.

Maybe one solution could be to put classed divs inside the HTML5 tags?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Any direction would be appreciated.

P.S. Man, HTML5 has made stuff so much easier.

But will it work on a steam-powered programmable calculator from 1968? I'm not so sure....

Joking aside, that's very interesting and useful, seriously, thank you.

Good advice. And since I have a tendency to fall into the over complication trap (and then choke), I shall endeavor to take it on board.

My site is partly intended to function as a place to collect twenty or so years worth of bits and pieces. So, at the moment, deciding how to structure preexisting content is more of an issue. I mean, there are web gardens and then there are web thickets!

Thanks for taking the time to respond. You've helped me a lot. I appreciate it.

Oh, cool, that should sort out any styling issues and I get to keep my divs. Thanks for the clarity.

CSS floats were around in 1999, I think.....

Actually, I'm so tempted to go full Prof. Dr. style.

http://contemporary-home-computing.org/prof-dr-style/

There's something about the simplicity and utilitarianism of it all. A real pleasure. Unfortunately, I worry it would put most people off, or they'd think the CSS file had broke, or something.

That's a great piece. I am so sick of purity spirals and out-grouping. Apart from anything else, do the culprits not know how very, very boring and banal it is.

I also don't want to be too down on Vulonkaaz. Like you intimate in your post, it's super easy to get sucked into these pointless antagonisms.

For example, the other day, I came across a 'Star Wars is for children, Dune is for men' meme. It so amused me that, despite not having watched or read either since my teenage years, I wanted to immediately jump on r/starwars and start a fight....

If you haven't already, you should give Jodorowsky's Dune a watch sometime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky's_Dune

Alejandro Jodorowsky, best known for NOT making Dune. :)

A trailer, in case anyone's interested.

Now, be warned, while he has his fans (myself included), there are many who find Alejandro Jodorowsky insufferably pretentious.....

No. There can be only one.

You mean people sometimes pay for stuff on the internet? Who knew?

I'm basically the same, except, if I really want to get nickeled and dimed, I take my dog to the vet.

Hey, thanks for remembering me. That's very interesting and useful.

Now, no more procrastination, I'm going to set a deadline and have my site up in two weeks. You watch, after all the warbling, it'll end up being some WP festival of bloat and I'll put a little 'best viewed with' button on it.

Thanks again!

I've recently participated on Agora for the first time. Apart from having to wade through the not infrequent antisemitic rants and getting more of an insight into people's odd relationship with anime than I'd like, the main thing that puts me off is the youthfulness of the user base. I was surprised to learn that a not insubstantial portion of Agorans are high-schoolers, with the largest demographic being people in their early twenties.

Now, young 'uns are cool and all, but, personally, I prefer places that tend to track older, or at least where oldies are well represented. This is particularly true when it comes to dealing with internet history, the small web, nostalgia, retro gaming, etc. and most definitely true with 4chan-esque platforms like Agora.

1. It's good having people around who've experienced a decent chunk of web and tech history.

2. I'm uncomfortable participating in 'edgy' content, or even being around it, with children present.

3. Related to the last point, I do not want to inadvertently call a 14 girl a c***t.

4. If I ever stumble on a Windows 8 nostalgia thread, I might literately keel over and die.

That's not to say Agora doesn't have many interesting and nice users of all ages. It does, for sure, loads.

Isn't there also a rule against racism? You'd think that would cover antisemitism. Anyway, I like your take and might hang around a little longer, but with a few changes. Namely blocking the self professed children, and open antisemites. By blocking the latter, I know I might lose out on some higher-grade tips on increasing virility, and being schooled on the true meaning of the Bhagavad Gita, but I'll live. :)

And hey, I've got nothing against young people, no ways, but I sure do feel old reading some of those Agora threads.....

Thanks for the reply.

Totally. I'm referencing some of the ancillary interests held by master race bros on Agora.

Ditto. But thankfully I was too drunk and stoned at the time to remember much of my late teens. :)

Shit, I remember growing up with duck and cover drills, yes, but also talks on how to spot bombs and limpet mines, what to do if someone chucks a hand-grenade, dealing with teargas, and a few other useful tips for living in a totalitarian state. At the time I saw them as useful life skills.... y'know, like how to change a tire, wire a plug or cook a pasta. :)

And to your point, every teenager I knew was either apolitical or a bit left in a superficial Rage Against the Machine sorta way. The kids these days, I tell ya.

Good stuff! So if you grew up in the 80s, you had Queensryche. The 90s, Rage Against the Machine. Then System of a Down for the 2000s. After that, I have no idea.

Cool. Glad to see you're moving forward. @Eternity seems to have turned himself into the personal web avatar or something. Incidentally, your original plan to fragment content caused an above average level of discussion on Blue Dwarf.

https://bluedwarf.top/cackle/view-post.php?post_num=2483